Alright this a big request here, but im gonna show you all of the pokes i have been getting rated for some time now, and i want to know which should be the final six. 2 are staying for sure.
Team that is 100% included:
Empoleon @ Shell Bell
Quiet
Torrent
EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Special Defense, 6 HP
Surf
Ice Beam
Roar
Stealth Rock
Ursaring @ Life Orb
Adamant
Guts
EV's: 252 Attack, 252 HP, 6 Defense
Rest
Sleep Talk
Facade
Stone Edge
Ones that are on the fan:
Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
Levitate
EV's: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Earthquake
Crunch
Dragon Claw
U-Turn
Forteress @ Leftovers
Impish
Sturdy
EV's: 252 Defense, 252 HP, 6 Attack
Explosion
Gyro Ball
Rapid Spin
Spikes
Grumpig @ Leftovers
Thick Fat
Calm Nature
Ev: 252 HP, 200 Special Defense, 52 Special Attack
Psychic
Charge Beam
Rest
Magic Coat
Vileplume @ Black Sludge
Chlorophyll
Calm Nature
244 HP,90 SP.ATK,140 SP.DEF,30 DEF
Energy Ball
Sludge Bomb
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder
Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Modest
Ability:Flash Fire
Ev's: 252 Special Attack, 200 Speed, 52 HP
Moveset:
Fire Blast
Earth Power
Explosion
Dragon Pulse
Charizard @ Choice Specs
Modest
Ability:Blaze
Ev's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Flamethrower
Air Slash
Dragon Pulse
HP Grass (for those dern waters/grounds)
Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Sassy
Pressure
EV's: 252 HP, 132 Defense, 126 Special Defense
Will-o-Wisp
Pain Split
Thunder Punch
Shadow Sneak
Miltank @ Leftovers
Impish
EV's: 252 HP, 148 Atk, 108 Def
Thick Fat
Milk Drink
Earthquake
Return
Heal Bell
I know this is asking alot but the main six and some feedback on them would be awesome! thanks!
Empoleon @ Shell Bell:
Boosting HP over Sp.Def may help more in the long run. Empy's Sp.Def is a fair amount higher, and HP boosts both defenses. Apart from that, it's pretty cool. Not Specsmence weak, either. =D
Oh, Shell Bell is rubbish. Leftovers are much better, and not that many people play item clause.
Ursaring @ Life Orb
Life Orb + Restalk seems a bit wierd, here. If you're gonna tank it out, you may as well back lefties.
Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Jolly is... a good idea. I'm assuming this is to prevent Scarfchomp weaknesses? Because Dragon Claw is a 2HKO, and has a 20% chance of missing in sand. It'd probably be better just to go adamant and be a revenge killer; Flygon doesn't have the power of Garchomp. :/
Forteress @ Leftovers
If you're running Gyro Ball, go relaxed. Apart from that, pretty standard.
Grumpig @ Leftovers
Yay, Grumpig! Personally, I'd go for a Substitute+Calm Mind set (Magic coat/Charge beam is less effective IMO), but it's your choice.
Vileplume @ Black Sludge
Is there any better alternative to sludge bomb? Vileplume is a solid UU, though.
Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Scarftran FTW. I'm more of a paralysis/life orb lover myself, but I've seen how good it is. x_X
Charizard @ Choice Specs
Ugh, I think Bellyzard is much, much better if you like Zard, and Specsmence/Dragonite if you want a specs dragon.
Dusknoir @ Leftovers
I think you should put more EVs in Sp.Def. Apart from that, he's pretty standard. Consider throwing a surprise move in there, but your decision really.
Miltank @ Leftovers
Don't know all that much about Miltank. I personally like Vileplume more, but that's 'cause of tier listings.
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I think the real thing you should look out for is common weaknesses here. Fighting and Rock are the two most powerful types this gen, and you have 3 fight resists and 4 fight weaks in that list. Whatever you choose, you don't need to worry *too* much about Stealth Rock, except for Specszard. I'd highly recommend switching to Belly drum variants, but that's about it. Grumpig, Ursaring, Miltank and Empoleon save this from being generic, so you could consider having a focus around one of them, perhaps?
I was thinking maybe a rain dance team centered around empoleon, and including grumpig and ursaring because i love them. What do you think?
Personally I'd add Vileplume and Heatran next. I love Forretress, and he would attract fire attacks for Heatran, but then that's three steels already, plus you don't really need SPin support that much.
That four pokes gives you a decent special tank, Special sweeper, physical tank and a cleric.
Regarding the others you've listed, I think Flygon really needs a choice band when running that kind of set. Although if you are using it to revenge kill dragons, add Draco Meteor and 120 Sp. Atk EVs, which should kill Salamence 100% and Garchomps 75% of the time, when they run 4HP 0 SD Evs. For what it's worth I tried really hard to find a place for Flygon in my standard team, but gave up. I now use a Draco Meteor/ Fire blast/ Earth Power/ Solarbeam @ Choice specs set in my Sunny day team.
Also worth considering stun spore on Vileplum since you have Miltank as a cleric should you decide to include her.
One other thing I think you should consider is a physical sweeper who can hit hard faster than Ursaring, who may end up unlucky with Sleep talk, and/or miss a lot of turns using rest. Having someone else to back him up would be most welcome I think.
Ok i think these are the pokemon I'm going with:
Charizard @ Choice Specs
Modest
Blaze
EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Flamethrower
HP Grass/Air Slash
Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast
Standard Specs-zard. I like zard alot more than mence and all of the other major specs users, and HP grass if im lucky enough, if not STAB air slash is cool too.
Ursaring @ Leftovers
Adamant
Guts
EV's: 252 Attack, 252 HP, 6 Def
Rest
Sleep Talk
Facade
Stone Edge
My sleep talking Ursaring from before, nothing hurts like a STAB boosted facade from a 130 base attack power ^.^. Stone edge has a good attack power if sleep talk misses facade. (there is always a risk of it selecting rest but thats true for any sleeptalker so eh)
Floatzel @ Choice Band
Adamant
Swift Swim (kinda useless here but eh)
EV's:252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Brick Break
Crunch
Ice Fang
Waterfall
Ok, he wasn't actually on my list of pokemon, but he's awesome. I tried him out and he dominated. Brick Break covers alot, crunch psychics, ice fang takes dragons, and waterfall is a decent powerd STAB move on a band set. Ouch.
Miltank @ Leftovers
Impish
Thick Fat
EV's: 252 HP, 224 Defense, 32 Speed
Heal Bell
Milk Drink
Body Slam/return
Zen Headbutt
A good cleric and physical wall, one of the best actually i think, as long as I dont get cross-chopped or something. Zen headbutt is there for Gengar, and body slam/return for STAB boosted havoc. Heal bell is what makes it a cleric, and milk drink is what hepls it to be a wall so its reliable.
Grumpig @ Leftovers
Calm
Thick Fat
EV's: 252 Special Defense, 252 HP, 6 Special attack
Magic Coat
Charge Beam
Psychic
Rest
Rest is his only recovery move sadly, but its ok. Magic coat, well everyone knows why thats so good, charge beam can boost my special attack, and psychic for STAB boost.
Venasaur @ Leftovers
Bold
Overgrow
EV's: 216 HP, 252 Special Defense, 36 Special Attack
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
Grass Knot
Sludge Bomb
A variation on the standard venasaur, basically designed to hit harder. Leech seed + leftovers doesnt require so many HP ev's in my opinion, and grass knot and sludge bomb both being high powered and STAB moves will benefit from some EV's. Also not on my list hahaha but grass was a must for me.
I think its reliable BUT some flaws i can see:
I have 4 count them 4 leftovers users
I have no electric type coverage, only 1 electric type move.
No dragon type
No ground type coverage either.
Comments PLEASE!
Well, you seem to have noticed any flaws I can immediately see, and of those I can't think of easy fixes without changing some pokemon around. You could gie Miltank EQ if you feel you need a ground move, but that's not really what she'll be used for, though I assume the 32 EVs are to outspeed T-Tar? Could do some damage in that situation I suppose.
Lack of Electric moves isn't that bad either, Waters, Gyarados, and Skarmory can all be taken care off. Off the top of my head, this late I can't think of anything else you'd need such a move for.
Regarding items, give Venusaur black sludge. Don't worry about the rest. I don't think that many people use Item Clause.
yeah i thought about black sludge, if i can find one im definitely gonna put it on him. is it that different from leftovers?
Black Sludge damages the holder at the end of each turn (I think).
However, if it is held by a Poison Type Pokemon, it does the same job as Leftovers.
oh cool, so it just avoids item clause, but im gonna use it still.
Could someone possibly give me a full rate please?