1. Swampert @Shell Bell
Torrent
Sassy
132 HP, 132 Defense, 120 Special Defense, 120 Attack
Stealth Rock
Waterfall
Earthquake
?
Starter to set up rocks. I don't have the proper pokemon to breed for curse so im not gonna bother, but i really need a good fourth move if you could reccomend one. EV spread is kind of random.
2. Jolteon@Life Orb
Volt Absorb
Modest
252 SP. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Thunder Wave
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Sub.
Jolteon is sort of just an electric special sweeper, shadow ball for coverage because of his limited movepool. Pretty reliable all around.
3. Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Pressure
Sassy
252 HP, 132 defense, 120 special defense
Will-o-Wisp
Shadow Sneak
Pain Split
Ice Punch
Walling is all he is for. A good wall, but he isnt tankish due to his lack of countering ability. My basic strategy with him = Will-o-Wisp first, pain split if damage is taken, then whittle them to death.
4. Azelf @ Focus Sash
Levitate
Naive
252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Extrasensory
U-Turn
Nasty Plot for power increase, and then hard sweeping with flamethrower and Extrasensory (S.T.A.B and flinch chance). U-Turn is there so if azelf gets outmatched i can do some damage while making a hasty escape. Strong but kind of unecessary, maybe replace with a dragonite/salamence/flygon?
5. Jynx @ Wide Lens
Forewarn
Modest
252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Lovely Kiss
Energy Ball
Dragon Counter, and alot of coverage moves. Mainly sweeps using type coverage moves.
6. Ninetails
Flash Fire
Modest
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Flamethrower
Confuse ray
A good sweeper, I love fire types so ninetails is amazing.
well take out the legendary, coz not many people battle with em, and instead of having a mixed wall, try spitting it in to. like a skarm and a *thinks of high spd poke*
skarm and and and umbreon, or brongzong or tentacruel.
that way, as soon as that wall gone, you will still have one back up for taking damage.
and there are alot faster pokemon that use jynx's move pool.
Azelf is fine. He's not an uber, so I would keep him.
However, you are severely lacking in physical strength. How do you plan on taking out Blissey? The second most common pokemon (according to Shoddy's stats) in the game.
Oh, and give Jynx Nasty Plot/Calm Mind. She needs a bit of a boost tbh...
Zenrot Wrote:1. Swampert @Shell Bell
Torrent
Sassy
EV's: 240 hp/216 def/ 52 spa
Stealth Rock
Surf
Earthquake
Ice beam
Starter to set up rocks. I don't have the proper pokemon to breed for curse so im not gonna bother, but i really need a good fourth move if you could reccomend one. EV spread is kind of random.
The spa ev's are to make Surf more powerful, yes Swampert has a higher attack stat then spa stat but using a surf you can hurt more ground tyepes as most of them have a high base defence stat and a low base special defence stat. Hippowdon, Donphan, Skarmory and Weezing are but a few that take more damage from surf then waterfall.
2. Jolteon@Life Orb
Volt Absorb
Modest
252 SP. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Thunder Wave
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Sub.
Fine but baton pass is an option over T-Wave.
Jolteon is sort of just an electric special sweeper, shadow ball for coverage because of his limited movepool. Pretty reliable all around.
3. Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Pressure
Sassy
252 HP, 132 defense, 120 special defense
Will-o-Wisp
Shadow Sneak
Pain Split
Ice Punch
Fine
Walling is all he is for. A good wall, but he isnt tankish due to his lack of countering ability. My basic strategy with him = Will-o-Wisp first, pain split if damage is taken, then whittle them to death.
4. Azelf @ Focus Sash
Levitate
Naive
252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Psychic
U-Turn/Grass Knot
Since he flinch hax on extrasensory is so low you may aswell go with the stronger option psychic. I think this thing is better then Jolteon if anything remove Jolteon for a special sweeper. Grass knot will 1HKO T-Tar after a Nasty Plot and it kills rival Swamperts.
Nasty Plot for power increase, and then hard sweeping with flamethrower and Extrasensory (S.T.A.B and flinch chance). U-Turn is there so if azelf gets outmatched i can do some damage while making a hasty escape. Strong but kind of unecessary, maybe replace with a dragonite/salamence/flygon?
5. Jynx @ Wide Lens
Forewarn
Modest
252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Lovely Kiss
Energy Ball
This isn't a dragon counter period. A counter is a pokemon that can switch into then KO the pokemon I'm telling you, Jynx can't switch into any of the OU dragons attacks and then KO back. I can give calacs to prove my point on that.
Dragon Counter, and alot of coverage moves. Mainly sweeps using type coverage moves.
6. Ninetails
Flash Fire
Modest
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Energy Ball
Hypnosis
Very bad set for Ninetails. Sunny day won't help any of your team, in fact it will hinder Swampert making it bad, in general sunny day solar beaming is a bad idea. Switch in on a fire attack. And sweep, if the pokemon is choice'd is using a fire attack like Heatran/Tyhplohsion even better nasty plot on the switch. Ninetails is very fast so hypnosis first and then Nasty plot one or two times depending on how dangerous the poke asleep is. If it's a pokemon packing a ground move only Nasty Plot once for saftey purposes unless you're feeling lucky.
A good sweeper, I love fire types so ninetails is amazing.
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@ EFB Most people don't battle with
ubers there's a big difference between ubers and legendarys, there's nothing wrong with Azelf.
Having a mixed wall and 1 physical tank is rather risky but it could work as long as you make your team a offensive team and try not to stall too much. Your team is walled horribly by Blissey so put a physical attacker in there, even better put a fighting physical attacker in there, choice band/choice scarf heracross is what I suggest or SDLucario.
Thanks everybody, but especially nattyb. do you guys think i should try and remove jolteon or ninetails for electivire?
Zenrot Wrote:Thanks everybody, but especially nattyb. do you guys think i should try and remove jolteon or ninetails for electivire?
Heh, I guess you like electric types right?
I don't think you should remove Ninetails, in the large history of epic competitive battles that I've had Ninetails has been more effective then Jolteon.
My exprience has also shown me that
Electivire is overrated, and is not fit to be a Blissey killer, why?
1) Its main fighting move likes to miss.... A lot.
2) Blissey is a special wall, and as soon as you send Electvire out to collect the thunderwave speed boost the opponent will send out their physical wall and Electvire is a physical attacker that can't kill any physical walls. Weezing walls, Skamory walls, Dusknoir walls and will o wips, Hippodown laughs at those unSTABBED ice punchs etc.
Seriously I've use Electvire in 5 of my teams and I kicked it out every time, its ability to be so easily walled makes it not so great imo. I still think CBCross or Scarfcross or SDLucario is your best bet.
What Natty said is right on the money!
But what nudges at me is why teach jolteon sub? It doesn't have the HP for it and it definetly won't help. So why not put a hidden power of ice or water to take out those annoying ground and rock types. It's very useful. I did it with my team and it's helped my team alot.
Azuremaster Wrote:What Natty said is right on the money! But what nudges at me is why teach jolteon sub? It doesn't have the HP for it and it definetly won't help. So why not put a hidden power of ice or water to take out those annoying ground and rock types. It's very useful. I did it with my team and it's helped my team alot.
He's right Sub is supposed to be used with Baton pass so that you can Baton pass subs to a pokemon giving them a free switch in.
oh i see (about jolteon). Are there any other good physical attackers besides heracross and lucario? ive tried them both and i dont like them.